Speaking Out Against the Motherhood Penalty with Sabine Rath
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Fix the system, and not the women.
In this episode, Sabine Rath (change manager, Agile leadership coach, keynote speaker, lecturer, and thought leader) talks to host Charlotte Otter about how Germany's maternity leave system creates the lifetime earning gap, how men taking paternity leave needs to become the norm (even CEOs, imagine!), and how we need to de-gender care.
Sabine brings a specific lens on the German political and structural systems, but the topics are relevant for working women and men everywhere.
Charlotte and Sabine are former neighbours in Heidelberg, Germany, and also two of the 8,6% of women with three or more children and in full-time work.
The system isn't working - for women or for families - and it leaves women with a lifetime earning gap that is impossible to recoup.
This is a trenchant, interesting conversation with a leader who is passionate about her topic, born out of personal experience, but with firm, critical eye on how the system needs to change.
This podcast is a companion piece to Charlotte Otter's book We Need New Leaders, published on 3 June by Practical Inspiration Publishing. Find it online or in all good bookshops.
In this episode, Sabine Rath (change manager, Agile leadership coach, keynote speaker, lecturer, and thought leader) talks to host Charlotte Otter about how Germany's maternity leave system creates the lifetime earning gap, how men taking paternity leave needs to become the norm (even CEOs, imagine!), and how we need to de-gender care.
Sabine brings a specific lens on the German political and structural systems, but the topics are relevant for working women and men everywhere.
Charlotte and Sabine are former neighbours in Heidelberg, Germany, and also two of the 8,6% of women with three or more children and in full-time work.
The system isn't working - for women or for families - and it leaves women with a lifetime earning gap that is impossible to recoup.
This is a trenchant, interesting conversation with a leader who is passionate about her topic, born out of personal experience, but with firm, critical eye on how the system needs to change.
This podcast is a companion piece to Charlotte Otter's book We Need New Leaders, published on 3 June by Practical Inspiration Publishing. Find it online or in all good bookshops.
Chapters
- 00:03 Introduction to Speech Bubbles and Sabine Rath
- 02:36 German Maternity Leave System and the Motherhood Penalty
- 06:00 Structural Changes Needed to Support Working Mothers
- 09:39 Comparison with other European countries and the Impact of COVID-19
- 12:26 East vs West Germany and the Concept of Full-Time Work
- 15:48 Personal Experiences and Generational Shifts
- 19:15 Navigating Thought Leadership and Workplace Dynamics
- 21:59 Transformations and Leadership Styles
- 24:22 Self-Reflection and Empathetic Leadership
- 28:00 Single Loop vs Double Loop Learners and Clarity in Leadership
- 31:57 DEI Pushback and Changing Archetypes
- 37:57 Book Recommendation and Tips for Emerging Leaders
- 40:48 What brings you joy?
